tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5103406499726689782.post8283491951034832698..comments2022-04-04T15:01:57.085+03:00Comments on fhtr: Phonetic writing systemsIlmari Heikkinenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10857385258792531336noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5103406499726689782.post-60924156177728132932010-04-27T02:21:38.148+03:002010-04-27T02:21:38.148+03:00Thanks! The image is from Wikipedia though, so I c...Thanks! The image is from Wikipedia though, so I can't take credit for it. Added a label now to reduce confusion.<br /><br />On modifying the phonetics, the Japanese kana uses diacritics for that. With kana when you add two small strokes to a glyph you go k->g, s->z, t->d, h->b. <br /><br />A lot of alphabets have consonant-modifying diacritics as well (at least Arabic, Latin and Devanagari), but there the actual effect of the diacritic seems to depend a lot on the language written. Heck, the pronunciation of a word written in the unmodified Latin alphabet tends to vary wildly between different languages. <br /><br />The Korean Hangeul consonant glyphs kinda look like the mouth-tongue shapes for pronouncing them. The vowel system has some logic to it too: a vowel is composed of one or two long strokes, and zero to two short strokes. The long stroke and short stroke directions encode the base vowel. One short stroke means the vowel by itself, two short strokes y+vowel. E.g. |- is a, |= is ya; -| is eo, =| is yeo.<br /><br />The Devanagari long vowels are very similar to the short vowels too. And some Latin systems do long vowels logically as well with either duplicating the vowel (a-aa) or by putting a dash above the letter (a-ā).<br /><br />Oh, apparently alphabets with phonetics-based glyphs are called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Featural_alphabet" rel="nofollow">featural alphabets</a>, and include Tolkien's Tengwar. The things you learn...<br /><br />But yeah, from systems in use today, I guess Hangeul is pretty close to what you're thinking of.<br /><br />Cats and dogs, many languages speak a language different from the one they write... Renault and Reno sound alike in French, Renault and Raynolt sound alike in English.Ilmari Heikkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10857385258792531336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5103406499726689782.post-54436763096726951172010-04-26T22:19:22.268+03:002010-04-26T22:19:22.268+03:00What a great project. Your artistic ability reall...What a great project. Your artistic ability really adds to it.<br /><br />Do you know if any alphabets exist where the glyphs encode the phonetics in a factored way?Thus we would expect f and v to look similar since they only differ in voicing<br /> same for s and z<br /> same for p and b, etc<br />and in each of these cases, we would expect the difference in the glyphs, indicating voicing, to be similar. I guess one would want the core glyph to reflect the mouth shape and tongue position.<br /><br />Anyway, curious if you have encountered this at all.<br /><br />[I like to engage kids in thinking about phonetics with "cats and dogs - why does one of the s's sound like a z but the other one doesn't"?]Dan Ingallshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145870260493007782noreply@blogger.com